Tuesday, January 11, 2011

UVSS Board rejects Online Voting

At the January 10 board meeting, the issue of online voting was prominent on the agenda. The topic was actually addressed in three separate motions during three hours of debate on the issue as the UVSS board attempted to come up with some sort of compromise that would make online voting a reality for the UVSS election.

The topic began with Chairperson James Coccola giving members of the board a presentation about what online voting for the UVSS would entail. The presentation, which included a handout for board members, described that the elections would be done via UVic’s Webvote system. This is the same system that is used for the UVic Graduate Students Society, Senate and Board of Governors elections. Coccola’s presentation went on to state that a third party had done a security audit of the University’s system which found the system to be secure.

The presentation went on to describe the online voting systems and their effects at several other schools including UBC, SFU, U of Frazer Valley, Kwantlen, U of Alberta, U of Ottawa and St. Francis Xavier. Coccola pointed out that the well publicised security issue at UBC stemmed from the fact that UBC’s AMS hired a third party company to administer its elections rather than use a University based system.

If the UVSS chose to use UVic’s Webvote system, it would cost $4500. Coccola also pointed out that UVic has decided not to put stickers on student cards next Fall so the board will need to find a solution to address this reality for the 2012 election.

Prior to the meeting it was expected that any concerns against online voting would relate to possible security issues that may come from it. In fact, there was very little mention of this topic during the meeting.

Director at Large Dylan Sherlock expressed opposition to online voting in the proposed format because UVic’s Webvote system allows for voting to occur outside of polling stations from any computer. He labelled this “remote voting” and expressed concerns that since students could vote anytime of day from any computer we have no way of knowing if they have been coerced or influenced while voting. Thus, Sherlock went on to label elections held under UVic’s Webvote system undemocratic.

Several other board members expanded on Sherlock’s point about remote voting, expressing concerns that large “voting parties” with alcohol and laptops may occur where students may be convinced to support a candidate and vote for them. It was also suggested that a candidate may walk around with a laptop allowing students to vote on it.

Former board member and fellow blogger David Foster took strong issue with Sherlock’s labelling of elections held using UVic’s Webvote system as undemocratic. Foster passionately declared that his election as a Student Senator via the Webvote system was democratic and legitimate.

Accessibility was also an interesting topic surrounding online voting. What made accessibility so particularly interesting was that it was used by board members both arguing for and against online voting. Gabrielle Sutherland, speaking on behalf of UVic Pride, stated Pride’s position was that online voting does not give everyone equal access to voting. This was reiterated by NSU rep Tanille Johnston stating that a certain class of people have increased accessibility when elections are held online. The reasoning behind this position was that more well off students have more internet access since they own personal laptops and smartphones.

Conversely, board members such as Director at Large Jose Barrios argued online voting would in fact increase accessibility as all UVic students have free internet access. This could also be very helpful for students with disabilities he added.

Throughout the debate, several board members emphasized that paper ballots were not secure and that board members are kidding themselves if they believe it to be secure. Director at Large Nathan Warner reminded the board that last election Shawn Slavin demonstrated how easy it would be to vote twice in an election (Martlet article). Director of Services Remy Hall mentioned that any student can claim they lost their sticker and go to the University Centre to get a new one. Students can also entirely “lose” their card and pay for a new one to vote twice as well. Director of Academics Rajpreet Sall reminded the board that two elections ago 150 ballots went missing from a polling station and were never found.

Another aspect of the debate was human error in paper ballots. Director of Finance Kelsey Hannan pointed out that roughly 200 ballots were contested during a recount last election as voter intent was not clear. Rajpreet Sall was elected by a mere 8 votes in that recount. As online voting does not involve any interpretation of intention, this issue would no longer exist.

At one point I was given the opportunity to speak and used this to remind the board that 10 of the current members (all present) had ran on platforms that explicitly pledged to implement online elections. I encouraged these board members to follow through on their platforms.

To my astonishment, several board members that followed me argued against board members following their election platforms. Dylan Sherlock felt it would be undemocratic for a board member to justify their decision solely based on promises contained in their election platform. NSU rep Tanille Johnston argued that board members ran for the board a long time ago and have come a long way. She suggested board members may change their minds as they become more familiar with the topic.

A further issue that came up during the debate on online voting was the apparent lack of consultation on the issue. Dylan Sherlock stated he was infuriated with the lack of consultation on the issue. He also made a claim that Director at Large Jaraad Marani was being not invited to meetings that pertain to online voting. Unfortunately no board members that followed specifically addressed this assertion that Marani had been deliberately left out of meetings leaving this allegation rather unresolved. Feeling personally attacked, James Coccola responded to Sherlock's criticism stating he has so many meetings every week that it would be unreasonable to expect him to update the board about every one of them. He simply does not have the time. Coccola went on to state that it was part of his job to meet frequently with the University and gave the example that he had had three meetings with various University representatives earlier in the day.

After a full hour of debate on the issue the board finally went to a vote on the issue.

Results
In Favour
Jose Barrios, Remy Hall, Kelsey Hannan, Laura MacLeod, Mehak Mehra, Rajpreet Sall, Karina Sangha, Nathan Warner

Opposed
Jenn Bowie, Jessica Humphries, Tanille Johnston, Jaraad Marani, Rob McDonald, Caitlyn Pal, Tara Paterson, Dylan Sherlock, Robyn Spilker, Gabrielle Sutherland

The vote for online voting failed 10-8.

But this was not the end of the issue of online voting at this meeting. Following a recess Jose Barrios attempted to add a motion regarding online voting to the agenda of the Special AGM (which had been approved earlier in the meeting). What followed was another two hours of debate, and numerous amendments and an effort to go back and try to find some sort of compromise on the issue at this meeting.

Barrios’ initial motion was a straight forward motion that would ask the general membership if they wanted online voting. This was amended by Dylan Sherlock to restrict remote voting to only those who are on coop or those with disabilities that request it. This was a peculiar move given his labeling of remote voting as undemocratic earlier in the meeting. Ultimately a compromise could not be achieved due in part to the technical limitations of the UVic Webvote system. As a result, the UVSS will not have online elections in 2011.

Promise Not Kept

The majority of controversial decisions that are made by the UVSS board involve issues that were unforeseen during the previous election or simply not addressed in candidate platforms. The 200-300 words candidates have only allows them to make a handful of promises.

Many candidate platforms in the 2010 election explicitly mentioned a promise to implement online elections. One such candidate was Director at Large Jenn Bowie. Bowie’s platform stated “Plan for the planet: Move to Online Elections.” Yet, Bowie voted against online elections Monday night. With the 10-8 result, a kept promise from Bowie would have meant a 9-9 tie and allowed Chairperson James Coccola to cast a deciding vote. There is little doubt Coccola would have supported online voting given the work he has put into making this possible.

It appears the likelihood that Jenn Bowie would go against her platform was foreseen by some board members. During question period early in the meeting Jose Barrios had asked Bowie specifically whether or not she had campaigned in favour of online voting. Given how few promises candidates actually make during an election, I am very disappointed to see a board member blatantly go against one contained in their platform.

29 comments:

  1. Let me get this straight. The main reason ten board members oppose this is because it would allow me to vote from home at my own convenience? Unbelievable.

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  2. Jenn Bowie should be impeached. She was voted in to fulfill her promises, not to go against them - typical politician, she gets in and does exactly the opposite of what she got elected to do.

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  3. Jenn Bowie FAIL!

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  5. We should just call a spade a spade. Bowie used to be enthusiastic about online voting and only changed her position when she decided to run with Student's United next year. We can be almost certain that she changed her mind due to pressure from Dylan, since all of SU voted against online voting. Bowie has a lot of explaining to do.

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  6. My forehead is sore from so many face-palms. It is obscene to think online voting undemocratic. I'll wager that voter turn-out would still amount to less than a third of the student population. It's another head-in-the-sand move by some board members that fear change.

    People don't care about student politics at UVic because as soon as they vote for someone that looks like they'll be different, they drink the kool-aid and they're banning macleans or denying students basic democratic freedom.

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  7. a student who cares too muchJanuary 11, 2011 1:14 PM

    Wow, all those excuses against online voting are unbelievable. Leave it to the UVSS to vote against something so modern and democratic and fair and equal like online voting. Not to mention MORE SECURE THAN PAPER BALLOTS. God, it's like you idiots WANT to waste student money. Pathetic and embarrassing, all of you. Especially the morons who said that online voting doesn't give equal access. Are you kidding me? It makes it far MORE equal than it is now!!

    As for not sticking to platforms....we should impeach the lot of you. You're just like fucking Campbell LYING about the HST to get elected. You LIED to get elected. Get the hell out of here. Resign if you any moral fiber left at all.

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  8. 9 out of Renew's 10 directors supported online voting last night...

    Renew has a surprisingly good record on keeping their platform promises, but I wouldn't include Jenn Bowie in that group.

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  9. I actually said the exact opposite of what Andrew quotes me as saying, but I was being extremely sarcastic so I assume he caught the tone not the words. I said I would have to consider my election to senate completely illegitimate and asked Dylan why he hadn't done something to try to end the undemocratic outrage of UVic Webvote before now. The only answer I got was from other directors, who pointed out that senate is "less competitive." However, when I ran for Senate I was not running for another position and campaigned extremely hard. And, if Webvote is fundamentally undemocratic because it compromises the secret ballot, the competitiveness or not of the election wouldn't change this central fact. Dylan ran for Senate so he was apparently able to stomach the idea of students "remote voting" for him. Oh and he didn't win...

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  10. I strongly encourage everyone is upset about this to vote multiple times in the next election, just to piss off those moron's who voted against this. It's easy to do. Just peel off the sticker on the back of your student card and save it. Then start going to the university center and get another sticker for free. Then when you vote you can keep replacing your sticker on your student card.

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  11. Also, WHAT THE FUCK JENN BOWIE?!?!?! You lost my vote and a lot of others by doing that.

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  12. So have voting parties and coerced voters ever been an issue at these other schools or are these board members just grasping for a reason to oppose this?

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  13. David, no one on the board gives a shit about Senate. No one cares to challenge UVic system, because they can't control UVic. As for your position being illegitimate, nobody cares that you or anyone else on senate has a position, because you're all useless. The board is where students actually have power, and that's why there's real competition for those seats, and real electoral rules.

    Why do a bunch of university kids think that they can go onto an online system voting that no government in the world would entertain... the arrogance is astounding...

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  14. "Director of Academics Rajpreet Sall reminded the board that two elections ago 150 ballots went missing from a polling station and were never found."

    This is a lie. They seemingly disappeared from University Centre but were relocated almost instantly. Shawn Slavin can even attest to that.

    I'm getting sick of reading flat out lies from Renew on this blog and in board meeting minutes.

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  15. Yeah, those ballots were found, what the fuck.

    Also the lies are hardly exclusive to Renew, its basically a requirement to be a politician, including student politicians.

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  16. Yeah... They were never found. Thanks for the red herring though.

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  17. As I sit in a library in Melbourne right now, I would like to ask that people do not put words into my mouth.

    To Anonymous(es) at 9:42pm and 9:49pm, I can assure you both that the ballots WERE NOT ever found. Once the Electoral Office was informed of the fact that a stack of ballots was taken from University Centre, the Electoral Office changed procedures for the final few hours of voting to ensure that no one could put multiple ballots in the boxes at the same time. At ballot counting, again, extra precautions were taken to ensure that extra ballots could not be added to the piles of ballots during the counting process.

    The only lie in the statement that Rajpreet made was the fact that it was not a stack of "150 ballots" but rather less than 100. Regardless, ballots wouldn't be disappearing had the system moved online. The electoral office has advocated for this since 2008. Maybe by the time my grand-kids get to University, a UVSS Board will actually listen to the individuals that actually run the elections, not those who just run in it. At least we can all sleep well at night, knowing that the UVSS can continue the longstanding tradition of undemocratic elections!

    So next time before saying that "[I] can attest to that", please get your facts straight...or at least ask me.

    Thanks.

    Shawn

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  18. @ 9:01 PM

    I don't think any system is perfect, but some are better than others. There are some significant differences between Municipal, Provincial and Federal elections that makes their paper ballots more reliable.

    -They maintain a voters list of eligible voters
    -You present Government issued photo ID
    -They also last a single day (officially)
    -There are very clear and specific instructions for filling in your choices

    Meanwhile,
    -The UVSS doesn't have a master list of eligible students
    -You can get a new sticker for your photo ID with ease
    -Three days of voting allows more potential opportunities to stuff a ballot box
    -Students can mark there ballot any way they choose. Unfortunately a lot of students use large check mark which cover multiple boxes

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  19. http://www.vancouversun.com/cars/Vancouver+Surrey+seek+online+voting/4095307/story.html
    "Vancouver and Surrey to seek online voting"

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  20. ha, the best parts, "online voter engagement that is already well-established in Ontario elections"

    "There can be risks to online voting, I know. But I’d suggest that the risks are even greater to democracy when you have only 35 per cent of voters casting ballots"

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  21. I don't even know why people take Dylan Sherlock's arguments seriously - that kid is dumb as nails. Seriously, just read his arguments!

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  22. To anon 5:47pm

    I know exactly what you mean. Dylan Sherlock is by far the most incompetent and loud mouthed board member I have even seen. He is a disgrace to the society and should have never been elected. He has never made an argument that makes even the slightest sense. I cannot believe he represents me and all other UVic students. FML.

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  23. Student senators are important. They're probably more important than the board members on the UVSS in the long run -- it's the senate and BoG, after all, that make the big decisions concerning the future of the university. Any suggestion that student senators have no power is just false. The truth is that student senators aren't exercising their power effectively.

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  24. Students make up 22% of the seats in Senate. Even if they vote in unison, the faculty members can easily overrule them.

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  25. The system we use at our school is tied into our university email account so only one student gets one vote. Coupled with the fact that each ballot has a one in 20 billion chance of replication leads me to believe that online voting is completely secure, at least on university campuses. Those schools which had issues with online voting one near Ottawa and UBC all had issues from third party incompetence or interference from the student association.

    There was no problem with the online voting, only the morons running it. Hence, I'd prefer having the system run through the university instead of the self inflated "protectors of our democratic rights" i.e. board members.

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  26. Online voting is a controversial issue partly because of its lack of transparency. When a group sits down and has a decision to make collectively, everyone hears the same information and discussion. If at the end there is not consensus on the question, once all of the available information and ideas have been given a fair hearing, and if a decision needs to be made, then democratic principles suggest that it is appropriate to vote on the question and allow the majority or whatever portion of the assembly has been agreed upon, to determine the outcome. Even that is not a perfect process, but it is relatively transparent and relatively democratic if the process is followed fairly.

    On the other hand, to elect representatives who will then be authorised to make decisions that will affect the lives of a large number of others, many of whom will not know the candidates really well when they cast their votes, if they bother to, isn't as clearly democratic. Low voter participation definitely puts a strain on the credibility of a representative system. Objections have also been made about elected representatives voting contrary to their stated intention during the election campaign. Voters who supported a candidate based on such promises inevitably feel betrayed, even if the person professes to have sincerely believe their new position is best. It is not their own wishes, after all, that they were elected to represent, were they? If they cannot convince their electorate that the new position is more beneficial to them, how can they justify this? There is a better way to do things that solves these problems efficiently. (see post below)

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  27. I suggest that the system being used to elect representatives is essentially flawed, whether the casting of the votes and counting of votes can be made more or less transparent or not, whether on paper ballot or online. It is "undemocratic" to the extent that it frustrates rather than facilitates self-governance. Self-governance means that an individual or group makes decisions for itself, right? This can only be achieved through a representative process if there is effective and timely accountability. Periodic elections and terms of office do not provide this. But if voters could place or change their votes at any time they wished, representatives would not only become accountable, but voters themselves would become responsible for the outcomes of the decisions made on their behalf. At whatever time a person decides they are ready to cast their vote, they may do so. They may also do so more readily and confidently knowing that if it becomes evident that they have made an unfortunate choice or the person doesn't live up to their expectations, they can reconsider and change their vote to another candidate. Unless they really didn't care at all about the decisions being made, I think most voters would at some point find that participation in the system was clearly in their best interest. I believe this would motivate far more voters to take electing their representatives as an empowering exercise rather than a waste of time. If you really think about this with an open mind, there is nothing democratic about electing dictators who often "rule" (imagine Gordon Campbell here) rather than serve for many years before the control of others that he had built up, possibly by intimidation it appears, leads him into such over-confidence and contempt for his "subjects" that the worm turns and self-respect motivates them to throw off their oppressor.

    If students want to improve their circumstances and experience a more democratic electoral system, why not choose a system that allows voters to control their votes completely, and therefore demand accountability from their representatives when THEY choose to. To have democracy, the ability to make a choice must never be relinquished, especially such an insecure one as electing a representative who can then do as they please without consequences.

    The advantages of this system are far-reaching, and keeping track of one's votes could be a similar process to keeping track of one's bank balance, and just as secure. With the added advantage of those wishing to serve in elected positions being able to continue to put their ideas and suggestions forward and voters being able to continue to respond to them, this system brings in elements of proportional representation and also direct democracy on issues of sufficient importance to the voters to base their votes directly on it. Representatives also know all the time how much support they have and if they want to keep their positions they will behave accordingly. Communication and honesty amongst candidates and voters will increase dramatically, I think, and both will feel more committed to making good decisions and more motivated to understand the issues. Obviously the current system has worked very poorly for hundreds of years, at every level. Why not use this opportunity to try something new at UVic?

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  28. I suggest that the system being used to elect representatives is essentially flawed, whether the casting of the votes and counting of votes can be made more or less transparent or not, whether on paper ballot or online. It is "undemocratic" to the extent that it frustrates rather than facilitates self-governance. Self-governance means that an individual or group makes decisions for itself, right? This can only be achieved through a representative process if there is effective and timely accountability. Periodic elections and terms of office do not provide this. But if voters could place or change their votes at any time they wished, representatives would not only become accountable, but voters themselves would become responsible for the outcomes of the decisions made on their behalf. At whatever time a person decides they are ready to cast their vote, they may do so. They may also do so more readily and confidently knowing that if it becomes evident that they have made an unfortunate choice or the person doesn't live up to their expectations, they can reconsider and change their vote to another candidate.

    Unless they really didn't care at all about the decisions being made, I think most voters would at some point find that participation in the system was clearly in their best interest. I believe this would motivate far more voters to take electing their representatives as an empowering exercise rather than a waste of time. If you really think about this with an open mind, there is nothing democratic about electing dictators who often "rule" (imagine Gordon Campbell here) rather than serve for many years before the control of others that he had built up, possibly by intimidation it appears, leads him into such over-confidence and contempt for his "subjects" that the worm turns and self-respect motivates them to throw off their oppressor.

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  29. Sorry, somehow part of the post got printed twice because it was too long to put in as one comment. Something weird happened when I copied and posted the second part...if the moderator wishes to remove the duplicated part (in the third post) that would be fine.

    Thank you!

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