Despite this fact, the board narrowly rejected the use of UVic’s Webvote system. You can read all about the arguments made both for and against this system here: http://uvssuncovered.blogspot.com/2011/01/board-rejects-online-voting.html
Following this, no attempts or initiatives were undertaken to make any improvements to the security of the paper ballot system. Board members that rejected online voting appeared content hold an election using a paper ballot system that they knew was easy to cast multiple ballots under.
Following this rejecting of using UVic’s Webvote system, Director at Large Nathan Warner was determined to demonstrate just how flawed the UVSS paper ballot system really is.
How to stuff a UVSS ballot box 101
Nathan Warner began to “lose” the sticker on his student card a few times a week in the lead up to the UVSS elections. The sticker on student cards is the method by which the current paper ballot system is supposed to ensure students only vote once.
In this election, poll sitters scratched off the letter “D” on the sticker to indicate the student had voted. By simply removing a scratched sticker and replacing it with a new one, a student can vote multiple times in an election. By the time the election occurred, Warner had acquired over a dozen of these stickers.
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| Four of the more than a dozen stickers Director at Large Nathan Warner stock piled in the lead up to the UVSS election. |
Warner didn’t just duplicate the method Shawn Slavin used last election to vote multiple times; he went a step further.
When Warner went to cast his first set of ballots on Wednesday morning, he did not put all his ballots into the ballot box. Instead, he kept the Executive Directors ballot and walked away with it.
He took this ballot and proceeded to recreate the ballot in Microsoft Word. Within 20 minutes, he had created a ballot that was nearly identical to the real thing. Warner had little difficulty finding identical yellow paper to what the real ballot had been created with and printed out a number of copies. He then cut out these counterfeit ballots.
On Thursday Warner, voted three times at polling stations around campus. With each set of ballots he placed in a ballot box, he also included a few of his counterfeit ballots as well. While the electoral office likely could have been able to catch the fact that the number of ballots in the ballot box did not match the number cast at that polling station, there is no way to determine which particular ballots are the ones “stuffing” the ballot box, nor which candidates are receiving the extra votes.
It is important to note that Warner was out to make a point and had no intentions of affecting the results of the elections. Warner claims to have spoiled every one of his ballots (with the exception of the first legitimate set of ballots he cast on Wednesday morning) by writing his name on them.
On Thursday evening, Warner explained what he had done to the electoral office. One of his motivations for doing this was his concern that someone else could have done the same thing as himself, but with intent to influence the results of the election.
Conclusion
This demonstration by Nathan Warner makes it incredibly obvious that the UVSS needs to do away with paper ballots once and for all. In fact, it was incredibly obvious a year ago, if not sooner than that. Yesterday UVic Underground made a post titled “There’s good reason for the paper ballot.” No, there is absolutely no good reason.
For members of the UVSS board to allow this election to occur under a system they know is flawed is simply irresponsible. I strongly believe that board members voted on January 10 based on which system they felt gave themselves or those they supported the best chance to be successful in this election, not based on what was the most fair, secure and accessible system for the UVSS.
The UVSS first began investigating online voting in 2001 following the creation of UVic’s Webvote system. The UVic Webvote system has been used for a decade for voting in Senate and Board of Governor’s elections as well as over other smaller votes as UVic. During this time there have been no known instances of fraud with this system. Knowing the UVSS was considering the use of its Webvote system, UVic had a third party conduct a security audit to confirm the Webvote system is secure.
The recent push to move the UVSS elections online has been occurring since at least 2009. Unfortunately foot dragging by board members, resistance to change and conflicts of interest have prevented the system from being implemented thus far. Hopefully the actions of Nathan Warner can be the catalyst to ensure UVSS elections finally move online for 2012.
When the results become known this evening, I can only hope that there is no evidence of multiple voting and ballot box stuffing beyond that done by Nathan Warner and for there to be significant margins separating candidates. As it only takes a couple of extra ballots to change the results of some races, it would be extremely unfortunately for the UVSS to find itself in yet another election controversy.
If and when the actual number of ballots spoiled by Nathan Warner is known, this post will be updated.


Disgusting that you're defending this. Nathan could have done a million things to have these loopholes addressed rather than cheat in the fucking election! There is no excuse. None. He's just wasted thousands of our goddamn dollars causing an election to have to be thrown out. He's an idiot at best, and you're worse for spinning his bullshit for him.
ReplyDeleteThis is sick. I have supported Renew for 2 years. I voted for Nathan last year and the year before and now I wish I could take those votes back.
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe that somebody (especially a board member) would show such disrespect for the electoral process and every staff member and campaigner. How do we know that Nathan did actually spoil every ballot he cast? There is no point in "proving a point," the issue of online elections was going to referendum anyway. Who did he sway who hadn't already voted in the referendum? Nobody. This is fraud. Wow, a guy I thought I could trust has completely ruined the integrity of this election. As someone who voted in favor of online voting I do not in any way have any respect for these actions.
I don't know why every one is so angry - oh wait I do, it's because it's FUSE posting over and over again because they are angry that they were proven wrong about online voting. They said online voting shouldn't happen because it's not secure, renew pointed out it was more secure than the current system.... and it is obvious that is the case.
ReplyDeleteThis issue is not new, Shawn Slavin - a DEPUTY ELECTORAL OFFICER last year voted multiple times to prove the same point. Here is the story: http://www.martlet.ca/martlet/article/Multiple-voting-possible-at-UVic/
Nathan should be impeached immediately. This is selfish. This action does not actually have any political weight since it was done DURING a referendum on online voting so it was just for Warner's pride to show that he was "right" on an issue. No consideration of the time and money it would cost the students' society. What a childish and immature person.
ReplyDeleteAndrew, I am ashamed of you for condoning such an action.
A few points:
ReplyDeletea) We don't know if Warner is the only person doing this. That will be determined at a later time.
b)I am not trying to spin this issue. I do not condone cheating and I am basing my view off the belief that Warner spoiled all of his ballots.
c) You have not supported Renew for two years as the slate did exist two years ago.
d) Warner will likely be held accountable for his actions. Noone can specify for me exactly what this entails.
Any electoral process can be undermined with the right amount of wit and determination.
ReplyDeleteThat does not justify anybody, especially a director for the organization in question, jeopardizing the integrity of the electoral process. Nathan stole a ballot, took it to get photocopied, and stuffed a box. This is a despicable and heinous act, and all you seem to be doing Andrew is legitimating it. Why are you not calling out Nathan as a director for undermining his own board's elections?
Nathan has demonstrated a complete disregard to act in the best interests of the society, and should be treated with the same amount of respect he has given the board. Censure him, and remove all of his privileges as a director (in camera discussions, food discounts, etc.)
Yeah, top two posters -- you're obviously lying. Anyone who he reads the post should be able to tell he wasn't cheating. This will not/cannot affect the outcome of the race.
ReplyDeletee) The referendum on online voting is non-binding and can be interpreted in a number of ways.
ReplyDeleteGotta admit Andrew I don't like your take on this. Having participated in elections myself (and I know you have too) sometimes its easy to lose perspective. The fact of the matter is when you have a vested interest in the outcome of the election (Nathan obviously does) you can't go about trying to prove a point by tampering with the ballots. It's reckless and dishonest, and when you have an interest in the outcome there's no assuming you wouldn't cheat. I know if I'd had a wad full of ballots in my hand and the chance to get them in the box without being caught, it would have been hard not to do so when I was running. I believe in free and fair elections but when you are put in a position where you could have that sort of influence you're lying if you're not at least tempted to exert it.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't a black and white issue for me Curtis. If this was some other student doing this would that make it more acceptable for you? Does who did it matter more than what happened?
ReplyDeleteYou're not lying if you tell the electoral officer 5 minutes after casting spoiled ballots. Nathan was trying to prove a point - maybe not in the most elegant way. At the end his point was made, and he got the publicity this issue deserves.
ReplyDeleteShawn Slaving did it too, eh? Interesting that despite his being a yearly occurrence some board members voted to keep the already proven wrong approach.
Andrew, the problem is not paper ballots, the problem is how they are created, distributed, and collected. Elections BC and Elections Canada have used paper ballots very successfully for years. It just happens that the people running the UVSS elections know absolutely nothing about how to conduct an election.
ReplyDeleteAndrew who does matter, for these reasons.
ReplyDelete1) He has an obvious interest in the outcome of the election.
2) He is a member of the board who is supposed to act in the best interests of the board, this obviously was not.
3) As a member of the board he has had ample opportunities over 2 years to make changes to the system. When the online motion failed to pass he and the other members of the board did nothing to secure the elections further despite knowing the risks and obviously not coming to this epiphany that the ballot system isn't secure overnight.
He had 2 board terms to make any number of suggestions and changes to the security of voting in UVSS elections, when his first choice of online elections did not go through he abandoned it until now. He's one of 15 people who are given the ability to try to make those necessary changes, and he did nothing until now.
As such that is why I don't much faith in his claim that he never cheated.
Shameful. For one thing, the point was made last year by Slavin. For another, for a sitting DAL to potentially cost the Student Society thousands of dollars by voiding this election is unconscionable. To take him on his word that he spoiled all of his ballots is laughably naive.
ReplyDeleteThe UVSS is a multi-million dollar organization responsible for people's livelihoods, for providing the infrastructure for several advocacy groups to exist, and for representing thousands of students' needs and interests. To treat it with this kind of disrespect for personal gain is disgusting.
This makes me lol.
ReplyDeleteNathan Warner: Man of the People.
I can't wait til CFS(or Fuse or ReNew etc.) calls for the election to be invalid.
ReplyDeleteNathan Warner: Man of the People who is also misguided
Douche.
ReplyDeleteOnline elections were already an issue - this didn't need to happen.
The fact that he was involved with helping one of the slates running in the election casts serious doubt about his true motivations, and the only evidence we have that he wasn't trying to influence the outcome of the election as well as proving his point is his word. That's right, let's take the word of someone with a known political agenda who admitted to election fraud.
Online systems are breakable too. Remember the Diebold machines and the Florida re-re-recount?
I do support a move to online voting, but I do NOT support the dumbass(es) that defrauded the system, or the douchebags defending them
So Curtis, if a member of the UVSS with no ties to slates did this, then it would be ok? If you oppose it, it should be wrong regardless who did it.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think we should wait and see how many spoiled ballots appear and see how the number of voters compares to number of ballots before we start jumping to conclusions.
As a student who has things like actual coursework to worry about, you student politics people really aren't doing a good job showing us why we should care about you.
ReplyDeleteSeriously. I'm busy enough with tests and homework, you guys can destroy the UVSS and run the SUB into the ground without affecting my life much at all. The university will still be here. Stunts like this just make regular students care even less about campus politics.
To all you power-hungry wannabe politicians: you're not that important. How about doing something beneficial for a change?
^ Then why the hell are you commenting on this blog?
ReplyDeleteDoing this didn't render the electoral system invalid, it just drew attention to the fact that the system was already critically flawed.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, it seems like the most reasonable political move would be for Nathan to resign from service on the UVSS board along with anyone who opposed the implementation of a more secure voting system.
Nathan's immaturity and total lack of judgement are surreal. He committed fraud - pure and simple. The matter was already going to a referendum. How could he make such a fool of himself?... And in his last semester of Uni? While serving on the Board?!?!?! He should be censured for sure.
ReplyDeleteI almost pity Nathan for being silly enough to do this. People are going to remeber this, and any grad schools that learn of this daft behaviour won't look kindly on it.
Embarassingly, I voted for Nathan twice in the past. Man.... this is puzzlingly stupid.
@7:42, like I just said, it doesn't render the electoral system invalid, but it potentially makes THIS ELECTION invalid. So, right now fuse is leading in the polls. Say they lose the election by a small margin. They can claim that thanks to Nathan's cheating they lost. in fact if they lose by a small margin they can claim this. and they'd WIN! They'd win! that's what so hilarious about it. as a D@L he should've known better. Especially when ReNew was already going to deal with this once in charge.
ReplyDeleteYou know what the worst thing is, and it's been highlighted already, but look at the results so far for online voting. It's going to go through. But now there are doubts because of Warner's actions. You think that vote will be spared all kinds of scrutiny?
I respect his renegade attitude but there were better things down the line. This was needless.
So, Nathan stole a bunch of ballots to vote 21 times.
ReplyDeleteClearly the paper ballot works so well. Since I mean, that's what you're all talking about right? No wait, it's about how awful Nathan is. Replace 'Nathan' with 'paper ballot' and you'll be on the right track there.
Yeah, I'm sure grad schools care about the UVSS.
ReplyDeleteTalk about living in a bubble.
Renew worked all year to get online elections in, finally secured the commitment of the university to do it, and got f!@ked over by one of their own D@L's at the last minute. At that point, they had no choice but to go back to stickers and hope for the best. The board of directors via Fuse/Students United + advocacy groups opposing online voting really gave the electoral office no option but to use stickers.
ReplyDeleteThe electoral office really should have serialized the ballots as they did last year to prevent this issue. Frankly it seems like they didn't have the time to get it done in time.
Warner didn't steal ballots. He created his on replicas.
ReplyDeleteOkay I just read about all this and have a serious question. I have worked for and volunteered for multiple elections on the municipal, provincial, and federal level. Why the hell were there not serial numbers on the ballots this year? That seems almost like a no-brainer. This kind of election fraud is EASILY prevented, and if it is able to be done this easily by anyone, there is a serious serious problem with the integrity of the electoral process at UVic.
ReplyDeleteThe election results should be thrown out. What a farce of democracy.
If you read back to the arguments made against the Webvote system by Dylan Sherlock, he opposed this system because it is not a truly "secret" ballot.
ReplyDeleteHaving a serial on a ballot could potentially have a ballot traced back to an individual.
I don't know the exact answer why the ballots weren't given serial numbers but I have a theory coming up in a posts I'm writing.
Ballots that are serialized can't be tracked back unless you record the ballot number of the person who signs out the ballot, which as you state could potentially violate the principle of the secret ballot.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if you just serialize the ballots only, then this reveals nothing about the voter. All you are doing is keeping track of every official ballot at a polling station, so that stuffing can be prevented as it is difficult for the stuffer to know the order of how ballots are serialized. Any stuffed ballots can then be idenitified immediately via an incorrect or overlapping serial number.
I love hearing all the arguments that are in favour of paper ballots, especially those by the CFS..."The Government of Canada uses them, so why shouldn't we?"
ReplyDeleteNo students' society has access to the kind of security that the federal government has. Online voting generally increases voter turnout, and although there are problems with either system, people have to have the option to vote.
Nathan was right to do what he did. Sometimes student politicians' arguments become so circular and narrow that they need a huge in-your-face action to have everything brought into perspective, so that they are reminded that a world exists outside of Board meetings. Maybe these actions haven't worked in the past, but with any luck it will work this time.
Also thank goodness for blogs like this one and Eye so that students aren't forced to be limited to the propaganda coming out of UVic Underground. That blog is super lols.